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MithranArkanere · Jan 22, 2011, 05:02 PM // 17:02

If they ever have time to add the 'missing' Luxon and Kurzick Elite armor for Dervish and Paragon, it shouldn't be a reward for doing anything.

It should just get directly added to the crafters.

Bright Star Shine · Jan 22, 2011, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

Sins and rits cannot get prophecies only armor(obby is core armor because u may still access uw+fow from the temple, dervs and paras cannot get factions armor. Proph chars can get all campaigns armor because the campaign itself is long... So they are rewarded other campaign armor if they got that far.

Euh, yes, isn't that what I said? Or didn't I make myself clear again? I know Ssins and Rits don't have proph only armor, that's why they have exotic and stuffs in Factions, what others don't have.

New armor would be nice, but, please, no more friggin costumes, I'm not gonna buy em anyway..

The star cloak thingy is a neat idea too..

And, about the emperor thingy with jumping in time, isn't the entire GWB stuff supposed to be the leap to GW2? So couldn't it be that we actually leap 48 years into the future and have to help crush the resistance? Which sounds pretty dull but ok..

I hope the last GWB thing is gonna be the awakening of the first dragon^^ Since GW2 will take off far beyond that..

RedDog91 · Jan 22, 2011, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

And, about the emperor thingy with jumping in time, isn't the entire GWB stuff supposed to be the leap to GW2? So couldn't it be that we actually leap 48 years into the future and have to help crush the resistance? Which sounds pretty dull but ok..

I hope the last GWB thing is gonna be the awakening of the first dragon^^ Since GW2 will take off far beyond that..

GW:Beyond fills holes in the lore between the two timelines. It's not very likely that some NPC will miraculously invent a time machine that allows us to fight along side our descendants in future events.

And you're ideas conflict each other.
The first dragon to awake does so in 1120 AE (41 years from presrnt in-game time) while Emperor Usoku doesn't crush the Luxons and Kurzicks until 1127 AE.

Thistle Xandra · Jan 22, 2011, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by Uriel_Wolfblood

...Let's say open an Imperial Present for a chance to get a mini Togo anyone?...

OMG, I really, really want this now! Why'd you have to put the thought in my head T_T

jazilla · Jan 22, 2011, 06:26 PM // 18:26

I would be all about a mini Togo, Kisu, and the twins! One mini pet= the twins that Mhenlo was friends with that Cynn got mad about. Someone else can post their names. I am too lazy this morning.

Hobbs · Jan 22, 2011, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

While they got a couple new sets, Rits and Assassins didn't get Primeval or Sunspear Armor in NF tough, and they also can't craft any form of basic armor in Elona. Sunspear Armor in particular is the equivalent of Kurzick/Luxon armor, so they were pretty much treated the same way.

Except Sunspear and Primeval aren't required in the HoM, Luxon/Kurzick are.

Uriel_Wolfblood · Jan 22, 2011, 07:05 PM // 19:05

Ok I see the argument in it rewarding only two classes. So maybe not make the armors a reward but rather just thrown into the game with the WoC update or something. But again like said many times before this is just a dream rather than something that will really happen (at least any time soon).

The gold Canthan weapons idea is still cool. But personally I'm all about the minis. And a Mini Kisu and the twins (Eimei and Jamie or something like that?) would be REALLY cool as one mini pet.

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Originally Posted by Thistle Xandra

OMG, I really, really want this now! Why'd you have to put the thought in my head T_T

Sorry it's been on my mind for a while now. At least now I have someone to suffer with me.

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Originally Posted by Hobbs

Except Sunspear and Primeval aren't required in the HoM, Luxon/Kurzick are.

And this is the primary reason I brought it up. It doesn't seem fair that people who have a primary character as a Paragon or Dervish can't get all the armor points on that specific character (I know it's account based, but the point still stands, every other class can max out the armor statue on one character.)

Lithril Ashwalker · Jan 22, 2011, 07:33 PM // 19:33

sins got ancient armor in the sulfur wastes as well as rits

Bright Star Shine · Jan 22, 2011, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by RedDog91

GW:Beyond fills holes in the lore between the two timelines. It's not very likely that some NPC will miraculously invent a time machine that allows us to fight along side our descendants in future events.

And you're ideas conflict each other.
The first dragon to awake does so in 1120 AE (41 years from presrnt in-game time) while Emperor Usoku doesn't crush the Luxons and Kurzicks until 1127 AE.

Dude, it was just a suggestion, I seriously do not know all the lore by heart to know all this stuff..

Indeed, it wouldn't make sense that we leaped ~50 years into time, but it would fill it up, won't it? We'd be living towards GW2, covering the 250 missing years, although we'd need a time machine.. And we should be aging, which won't happen.

RedDog91 · Jan 22, 2011, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Indeed, it wouldn't make sense that we leaped ~50 years into time, but it would fill it up, won't it? We'd be living towards GW2, covering the 250 missing years

We will be playing some role that doesn't exist on the known event timeline, something that will fit in maybe a year after War in Kryta (probably less). Pretty much 240 of the 250 year gap won't be covered.

Anshuri · Jan 22, 2011, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Uriel_Wolfblood

And this is the primary reason I brought it up. It doesn't seem fair that people who have a primary character as a Paragon or Dervish can't get all the armor points on that specific character (I know it's account based, but the point still stands, every other class can max out the armor statue on one character.)

Because it takes such insane amounts of time and effort to make a new char in faction (or a non NF only char) and run it far enough in factions to get the armor..

Beside, the majority of players today have more than 1 char who have finished a lot of stuff, or at least progressed enough in most campaigns to not req much effort to finish it.

Hobbs · Jan 22, 2011, 10:32 PM // 22:32

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Originally Posted by Anshuri

Because it takes such insane amounts of time and effort to make a new char in faction (or a non NF only char) and run it far enough in factions to get the armor..

Beside, the majority of players today have more than 1 char who have finished a lot of stuff, or at least progressed enough in most campaigns to not req much effort to finish it.

Why should you have to do that though? Only seems fair that you can complete the HoM on every character if you have bought every campaign.

Anshuri · Jan 22, 2011, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by Hobbs

Why should you have to do that though? Only seems fair that you can complete the HoM on every character if you have bought every campaign.

Why would you need to complete HoM on every char when you only get credit for the things you dedicate once? As a paragon or dervish you can still have a "full" HoM since i believe its 5 elite armors you need to have for it to count as a "full display". That's 5 random armor styles, there's no requierments to which styles you need to have as long as they're elites and not the "Deldrimor" elite armor.

Gill Halendt · Jan 22, 2011, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Anshuri

Why would you need to complete HoM on every char when you only get credit for the things you dedicate once? As a paragon or dervish you can still have a "full" HoM since i believe its 5 elite armors you need to have for it to count as a "full display". That's 5 random armor styles, there's no requierments to which styles you need to have as long as they're elites and not the "Deldrimor" elite armor.

The HoM calculator tough awards one point for Kurzick/Luxon armor. You can't get that point with a Dervish or a Paragon. Any profession should be able to get all the points available with no restriction.

Still, this is more of a problem with the Calculator and the ill-fated decision of giving Kurzick/Luxon armor that special importance. IMO, that's what they need to fix: give one point for Kurzick/Luxon Armor OR Sunspear Armor, problem solved. Doubt they'll do it, and, quite frankly, it's not what I'd call a pressing issue, playing multiple characters is pretty much the norm nowadays...

Sorry, time goes one way only. I don't care if people think it's unfair that Sins and Rits got stuff in Nightfall while nothing happened the other way round, Sins and Rits DO have some presence in Nightfall as well (in the form of enemies, NPCs, heroes) while Dervishes and Paragons are not covered in any way by the Faction campaign. Lore-wise, it doesn't make any sense for Kurzicks/Luxons to craft armor sets uncovered professions.

Anshuri · Jan 22, 2011, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

The HoM calculator tough awards one point for Kurzick/Luxon armor. You can't get that point with a Dervish or a Paragon. Any profession should be able to get all the points available with no restriction.

Still, this is more of a problem with the Calculator and the ill-fated decision of giving Kurzick/Luxon armor that special importance. IMO, that's what they need to fix: give one point for Kurzick/Luxon Armor OR Sunspear Armor, problem solved. Doubt they'll do it, and, quite frankly, it's not what I'd call a pressing issue, playing multiple characters is pretty much the norm nowadays...

That's my point. Since most ppl play on multiple charachers nowadays, and since it take so little time to lvl up a new char, especially in factions, i dont see it as a big problem that luxon/kurzick dont have armor for paragons/rits.

Im greatful that they actually value lore enough to not give in to ppl who want everything to be spot on equal and complain as soon as they have to work just a lil tiny bit harder to get something than someone else depending on what profession they chose.
(Not pointing fingers here, just saying)

Steps_Descending · Jan 22, 2011, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

- It makes perfect sense for newer professions not being able to craft armor sets in campaigns prior their introduction, so I see little to no reason to address a non-existent issue.
- WoC will pave the way for the suppression of both factions, so, lore-wise, armor sets bound to the factions-war are rather out of place IMO.

- Atcually, it did with the original model. Less now that we do know for sure there will be no more campaigns. Then again, is the effort worth it? Don't think so. Can an alt supply armor for the HoM? I know it is account-wide, but is it just the highest char?

-Indeed. /notsigned

Bright Star Shine · Jan 23, 2011, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Sorry, time goes one way only. I don't care if people think it's unfair that Sins and Rits got stuff in Nightfall while nothing happened the other way round, Sins and Rits DO have some presence in Nightfall as well (in the form of enemies, NPCs, heroes) while Dervishes and Paragons are not covered in any way by the Faction campaign. Lore-wise, it doesn't make any sense for Kurzicks/Luxons to craft armor sets uncovered professions.

There are dervishes, paragons, assassins and Ritualists in Proph too... WiK? So, they should get armor in there?

RedDog91 · Jan 23, 2011, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

There are dervishes, paragons, assassins and Ritualists in Proph too... WiK? So, they should get armor in there?

to be fair, WiK is its own story.
and the paragons and dervishes get rewarded with weapons in WiK, along with every other profession.

Gill Halendt · Jan 23, 2011, 10:12 AM // 10:12

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

There are dervishes, paragons, assassins and Ritualists in Proph too... WiK? So, they should get armor in there?

That's my point.

They didn't get one with WiK - and that's fine, as I said I'm against selective rewards - so why should they get one now?

Bright Star Shine · Jan 23, 2011, 02:51 PM // 14:51

Think I'm gonna step out of this, 'cause I quite honestly don't care.

But you guys do have a point that it is unfair towards Dervs and Para's that they can't get a full HoM because of the kurz/lux thing.

All I want is badass weapons and some badass mobs, kthx^^